John 17.6-8.
In Jesus’s John 17 prayer, after
As I said in my previous article on this chapter, this isn’t a prayer we pray along with Jesus,
John 17.6-8 KWL 6 “I make your¹ name known to the world’s people,- whom you give me.
- They’re yours¹ and mine; you¹ give them.
- They kept your word.
7 They now recognize everything you¹ gave me- is from you,¹
8 for the words which you¹ give me,- I give them.
- They accept the words
- and truly know I come from you.¹
- They believe you¹ send me.”
’Cause we do believe the Father sent Jesus, and how all Jesus’s teachings originate with the Father. Right?
So that, in turn, is what we oughta likewise pray. We belong to Jesus—and our Father. Our Father gave us to Jesus; he’s our Lord now. We accept him.
I should point out in verse 8, when Jesus says his followers
Jesus and the elect.
From time to time you’re gonna find
Before we read the text, we oughta recognize “The earth is the L
Many Christians might claim humanity really belongs to the devil, but that’s only because y’notice people ordinarily follow the devil, not the L
So when Jesus talks about people whom his Father gave him, who belong to them both, he’s not necessarily talking about
Nope; Jesus is talking about humanity, because Jesus is Lord of all. God loves the world enough to send us his Son,
That’s who Jesus is speaking of. Now obviously the whole world hasn’t fulfilled the rest of this prayer. Some of us keep his word. Some recognize Jesus came from the Father, and trust him. Not all; not even all Christians. All can, but not all yet do. In the next book of the New Testament, Acts of the Apostles, more were gonna join Jesus’s followers, his church. Jesus’s prayer includes them even though they weren’t yet in his group; weren’t yet keeping, recognizing, accepting, believing. Even determinists believe not everyone Jesus was praying about, had come into Christendom just yet.
But determinists clearly have their own spin on this passage. To their minds, “the world’s people, whom you gave me,” doesn’t mean all the world’s people. Only some people, extracted of the world, specially chosen to be saved for
As Jean Calvin puts it:
Thine they were, and thou hast given them to me. By adding these words, he points out, first, the eternity of election; and, secondly, the manner in which we ought to consider it. Christ declares that the elect always belonged to God. God therefore distinguishes them from the reprobate, not by faith, or by any merit, but by pure grace; for, while they are alienated from him to the utmost, still he reckons them as his own in his secret purpose. The certainty of that election by free grace lies in this, that he commits to the guardianship of his son all whom he has elected, that they may not perish; and this is the point to which we should turn our eyes, that we may be fully certain that we belong to the rank of the children of God; for the predestination of God is in itself hidden, but it is manifested to us in Christ alone. Commentaries, at Jn 17.6-11
See, determinists believe God is so almighty, he always gets his way—like the kings of France whom Calvin grew up under. God wouldn’t just elect you, then allow you to reject him and go your own way. He will have you. You were chosen to be saved, so you will be saved. And hey, isn’t it comforting to know you will be saved?—that
Plus there’s this odd little phenomenon in which determinists feel really good about themselves for being elect; for being plucked out of humanity to save no matter what. While at the same time admitting he didn’t choose them on merit; he only
But I digress. The determinists’ spin on this passage doesn’t jibe with the rest of the scriptures—not without having to redefine a bunch of terms so that they form some kind of Calvinist secret code, then reading the code instead of the bible. Jesus came to save everybody; everybody can repent and turn to Jesus; the Father has already made the first move in that direction by giving the world to Jesus. You are elect, in a sense—now let’s make that election certain