Quoting from John’s first letter:
1 John 5.15-17 KJV - 15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. 16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
This passage has managed to confuse an awful lot of Christians. What’s John mean by
Both Paul and James wrote that sin causes death. “The wages of sin is death”
But when Christians read John’s passage about sinning to death (
Now, Catholics believe—same as most
How do Catholics determine what’s a mortal sin, and what’s a non-mortal (i.e. easily forgivable, dismissible,
You want a list? Most people who ask me about this want a list. Here ya go.
- APOSTASY, obviously. Quitting Jesus definitely won’t get you into
his kingdom. - ADULTERY. Not
as the Old Testament describes it, i.e. sex with women outsideyour patriarchal fiefdom, whereas any non-relatives within your fiefdom are fair game. Nope, Catholics define this as any non-marital sexual activity. Which includes divorce, homosexuality, incest, masturbation, polygamy, porn, prostitution, and rape. - ANGER, ENVY AND HATRED. Particularly to a degree where people take harmful action, like terrorism.
- BLASPHEMY, by which they mean disrespecting God, not just
slander against God. So this’d include using God’s name as a profanity, sacrilege, and skipping Mass. - CHEATING AND FRAUD. Unless we’re talking harmless frauds like pranks, this refers to anything which harms others, like unfair bets, stuff which endangers others’ lives, injustice, lying, perjury, unfair wages, unjust prices, or oppressive interest rates.
HERESY. Teaching other than, or sowing doubts in, what Christians oughta believe. This includes encouraging people to defy church leadership, church splits, idolatry,simony, sorcery, and trying to be simultaneously Catholic and another religion. Catholics also include Freemasonry—in part ’cause Masons have historically been anti-Catholic, and in part ’cause Masonic rituals like to dabble in pagan, magic, and Muslim iconography, which creeps Catholics out.- MURDER of various sorts; anything which intentionally kills another person. This’d include abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. Catholics also include contraception.
- SUBORNATION, i.e. getting someone to sin for you, or otherwise encouraging another person’s sins and vices. Likewise
gossip, scandal-mongering, or other such things which nudge others the wrong way.
All these things are forbidden, or implied to be forbidden, in the scriptures. You notice many of ’em are taken from
Does sin undo our salvation?
The big problem with the idea of mortal sins, is its logical conclusion: If certain sins cut us off from God’s grace, and we never repent, nor have the chance or means to repent… it means if we die with a mortal sin on
Is that how
As Evangelicals like me understand it,
For Catholics, God gives people
Now yeah, if you go to church you’re certainly gonna notice God’s grace a lot more than in most places. But God’s grace isn’t something he only grants when people are religious. On the contrary: God’s grace is all the more for people who aren’t religious. Sinners can’t be saved unless God finds us, comes and gets us, forgives us, and brings us into his kingdom! And does God go and get ’em because they go to church and participate in sacraments? Nope; he went and got us because he loves us. Loved us before we made any effort to follow him; loved us before we repented of our awful, sinful behavior; loved us before we even knew we needed grace. Loves us in spite of many of us not entirely understanding what grace is.
Loves us in spite of those mortal sins. Wants to save us anyway. Isn’t giving up on us, but the Holy Spirit continues to prod us in the conscience so we’ll wise up and repent. That’s grace.
Romans 5.20-21 NABRE - 20
B …but, where sin increased, grace overflowed all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through justification for eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So does sin, any sin, cut us off from grace and salvation? Only apostasy. Only intentionally quitting Jesus. Properly that’s how
(Or, as is the case with pagans who believe they’re Christian, never have it to begin with. They still need to repent, and actually follow Jesus instead of only following the trappings of Christianity which they like best.
So what’s John talking about?
If John didn’t mean to create this whole designation of “mortal sin,” describing sins that’d send us to hell as opposed to venial sins God can easily forgive, what was he really writing about? For that, we gotta look at John’s culture, not ancient Christian culture nor medieval Roman Catholic culture. John grew up
The Pharisees identified two categories of sin in
Yep. That’s what John meant by “sinning to death”: Violations of the Law which merited the death penalty.
The United States has such laws too. Largely we’ve limited them to murder, terrorism, and treason. The Law in the scriptures executed people for stuff we’d never execute people over,
- Not properly penning an ox, so that it broke out and killed someone.
- Interfering with temple ritual, or the Levites and priests who do it.
- Priests being drunk on the job.
- Going to temple while ritually unclean.
- Kidnapping.
- Hitting or cursing your parents.
- Bestiality.
- False prophecy, promoting other gods, or spiritualism.
Stuff American culture won’t kill you over—but ancient cultures would and did. Whether you repented or not.
Naturally, many ancient Christians didn’t bother to study the Law, had a lot of biases against the things they considered sinful, and decided it wasn’t too huge of a leap between stuff which got you capital punishment, and things which might endanger your eternal life. Plus threatening people with hellfire goes a lot further when you’re trying to get ’em to stop sinning.
But yeah, it’s wrong. John wasn’t writing about stuff that might put you in hell. Just sins people commit which, in context, are serious crimes. Read it again; I translated it with this idea in mind.
1 John 5.15-17 KWL - 15 Once we’ve known God hears us about whatever we may ask,
- we’ve known we have the requests we ask of him.
- 16 When anyone sees their fellow Christian sinning a non-felonious sin,
- they’ll ask, and God’ll give life to that person—
- to those who commit non-felonious sin.
- There’s felonious sin.
- I say this so you’d ask, but not about that.
- 17 Everything immoral is sin—
- and includes non-felonious sin.
If the sins they commit are things they really oughta go to prison for, like fraud and thievery and molestation, or even treason and murder, we can’t only pray about it, and figure that’s that. We need to get authorities involved. John wasn’t writing about felonious behavior, but sins between us and God, stuff where authorities don’t need to be involved, and hopefully we have the sense to know the difference.
And regardless of the sins, God can and will forgive all. So relax.